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tv   Up W Chris Hayes  MSNBC  February 17, 2013 8:00am-10:00am EST

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the same problem. the old green movement thought they could do this with one color of people. the new movement recognizes that we have to pull in people of color. we have to really organize, we can't just make arguments from on high we got to make them in the streets and move the people into action. >> i think the american people are finally see through the cynicism, the bombardment of the messaging from fossil fuel industry. they spend hundreds of billions of dollars in this last election and people are understanding because of sandy and other things. >> i want to talk about this the outside game and inside game of what a legislative strategy
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my story of the week i talked about deficit obsession and relative complacency on climate. you can link the two. this is an estimate of not specifically this bill but a $20 metric ton carbon tax in this bill. year one $88 billion. by year ten you're getting $154 billion. huge amounts of money. you helped work on this bill. and the standard politico take on this cyst a dead end, it's going nowhere, you adorable liberals with your pie in the sky ideas. >> everything is difficult in congress right now. even routine appropriations
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bill. that's what the march in washington is about is building that grassroots support. polls show strong support for action on climate change. what this legislation does is it has one big tool to address climate change which is pricing carbon to more accurately reflect the true costs of burning fossil fuels like oil and coal. we can't rely on prices alone to make that big shift. so 60% of the revenues that are raised from pricing carbon are immediately kicked back to families on a per person household basis. if it's around 220 bucks per person is kicked back. >> you get a check in the mail. >> exactly. >> this is your dividend. >> that helps offset the increase we'll see in energy prices. it holds working families and elderly and people on fixed incomes to a hold because that's a crucial component is equity. 40% of the revenues goes into helping finance the tools that families need to help them avoid
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their access to or their reliance on fossil fuels. financing mass transit option. making it easier to finance renewable energy deployed in our communities. these are the sustainable energy investments -- >> that create jobs. make the air cleaner. >> absolutely. $5 billion a year for weatherization assistance so our homes are more energy-efficient. a billion dollars a year for job training for folks to get jobs to do that weather san diego. it creates jobs. >> absolutely. >> bill, are you setting up -- is the movement setting up keystone as a kind of defining moment and if keystone actually does end up being okayed what does that do the energy of the folks that are going to come to the mall that have been participating in what is a very sizable energetic and well organized movement? >> well, look.
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it's politics is one thing. physics is another. the reason we're worried about keystone above all we can't put that carbon into the atmosphere. but there's a lot else going on. we have 256 college campuses with actual die vestment moments. this is the biggest student movement in decades. the fossil fuel industry we'll put them on the run. we're trying to change the politics of washington but we do need leadership from the president. he gets to decide keystone himself without congress saying a word. we'll find out if he's talk or if he's action. >> jackie, steven harper kane has been very pro excavation of this exploitation of this resource. i know there's also a very powerful movement there. do you see a potential for sort of partnership across the border on this? >> i've been building alliances. i spent my time in canada building alliance. that's the reason i came here is
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to build alliance. >> i want to thank bill from and chief jackie thomas from nation's national climate forward in washington, d.c. what you need to know coming up next. how do you keep an older car running like new? you ask a ford customer. when they tell you that you need your oil changed you got to bring it in. if your tires need to be rotated, you ha to get that done as well. jackie, tell me why somebody should bring they're car here to the ford dealership for service instead of any one of those other places out there. they are going to take care of my car because this is where it came from. price is right no problem,
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with a degree in the field of healthcare or nursing from capella university, you'll have the knowledge to advance your career while making a difference in the lives of patients. let's get started at in just a moment, what you should know for the news week ahead. an update on "zero dark 30." the portrayal of torture. john rizzo, who overawe the turture at the tom is going over husband impression of the film. rizzo was asked by jeffrey brown about the film. >> do you think the film left a clear impression the interrogations were instrumental or a direct link?
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>> yeah. i would be interested if someone did not get that. getting around it that is depicted in the movie. >> he is the latest in the string of officials to come away with that. cia interrogations classified and released that reviewed 6 million pages of documents found torture was not a component in finding osama bin laden. reauthorize the violence against women in a vote, 78-22. all 22 votes were republican men. every female senator supported the bill. now it goes to the house. in case there's any doubt, elizabeth warren is going to be an asset. after her election in november there was discussion of whether she would be assigned to it. well, at her very first hearing
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were a number of banking regulators, she showed just why she deserves to be up on the dance. >> the question i really want to ask is about how tough you are, about how much leverage you really have in these settlements and what i would like to know is tell me a little bit about the last few times you have taken the biggest financial institutions on wall street all the way to a trial. >> they didn't have a lot of answers to that. the crisis that has truth to it is the idea that existing regulations could have don a lot to prevent the crisis. it was regulatory capture and them to not adequately do their jobs. elizabeth warren understands the dynamics of too big to fail and the cost it imposes. finally, you should know the
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world lost an intel lecture this week a legal philosopher. he died on thursday of leukemia, he was 81. he devoted his life about the good life, the role, the law of the constitution of the state without trampling liberty. "the new york times" described it as dashing, witty. i want to find out what my guests think we should know for the week coming up beginning with you, jen. what should we know? >> on the subject of less, two things, february 27th, the supreme court is hearing the case of whether or not states can collect the dna of arrestees. they collect the dna of those who have been convicted or can you collect the dna of those enlisted. answers to questions so the
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intelligence committee acknowledged they have reviewed the question of a secret court to review -- >> to deal with it. something like a fisa court. james. >> this is something we talked about, look forward to doing it more. the middle class is getting harder, not easier to define. it's got a great info graphic. using the rule of thumb that most researchers use to define middle class, middle 60%, the average is $140,000 of income. it's more and more irresponsible to demagogue on the way we do. we have to think harder about the dangerous possibilities by treating the middle class as if it's a monologue. >> bond is willing to go to jail for climate change. naacp has a climate justice program. whether it's voting rights or
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climate change they are working together to protect your basic rights. >> people ask what can i do to tackle climate change. one, everyone needs to contact their senators and tell them to sponsor the climate act by senators sanders and boxer. second, contact the white house and tell the president to start using his authority under the environmental protection agency to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. >> you have been a veteran of legislative battles on climate specifically. is there a change in grass roots mobilization to turn on to mobilize than ten years ago? >> absolutely. technology enabled that. it's also the coalitions of a lot of different types of organizations that have come together around climate change and i think it's really an understanding that the cynicism being pedalled isn't working
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anymore on the american people. i'm proud of the american people for recognizing that. >> i was talking yesterday about that. i referenced the book by albert hershman and the reactorry arguments. you get the one that is are going to cost jobs. we are skipping to the most cynical. the argument i see more and more coming from the right is we are screwed either way. you see a jump to denial to saying well, it's happening. we can't control the weather. i think it's important to remind people we actually can control it. i want to thank my guests, jen, james, a treat to have you here on the east coast. ben and tieson. thank you for joining us. we'll be back next weekend saturday and sunday at 8:00. next is melissa harry-perry. what's funny, hilarious and over
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